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no for obama

pickle Mon Sep 29 05:00:41 UTC 2008
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also referring to people as republicans, like you do is insulting, Yes Bush is out there wacko.. but most republicans I know don't actually support him, he was voted in 4 yrs go out of fear, by both democratic/republicans... he is a bully, which very few people seem to respect these days... if you look back in the past most republicans have been nothing like him.

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runningaway8 Mon Sep 29 14:50:03 UTC 2008
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Whens all this going to happen? ie whens the final election??

US politics confuses me! I'm only just getting a grasp on Australian Politics (and I've already voted in a federal AND a state election - its compulsary to vote) so another countries...well don't even go there!!

All I know is I'm sick of hearing about it. A few times its even been front page of the newspaper...not just a small newspaper, one of the 2-3 major newspapers of melbourne! And theres articles on early pages in the paper almost every day HAHA. 

LOL ok so its fairly important to the rest of the world as well as america haha but its just funny that its as if its our election theres so much coverage lol. Its been months and months and I'm over it lol.

all elections annoy me though. When its Australian/Victorian (my state, although state arent as big a deal) elections theres SO many ads on tv its ridiculous and you want to throw a brick through the screen lol.  

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QUOTE: delovelylou

No for Obama?!!! What a joke!

I'm just going to give you 2 words why NOT TO VOTE FOR THE REPUBLICANS... Bill Clinton. That man gave such an incredible speech in Denveur. Listen to everything he has to say...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=G3r6xvwPGcY  (almost 22 minutes long, absolute quality)

 

Ok - let's for one second say no for Obama and yes for McCain.

What does hat actaully mean for the future of America (the most hated part of the world at the moment, so there is immense pressure that whoever takes the position of president has to tidy things up and polish the image of America)?

So we are saying YES TO MCCAIN

.... is like saying YES TO ILLEGAL WAR in which HE IS HAPPY to stay there for many years.“Make it a hundred years. We’ve been in Japan for 60 years”... probably happy because it's NOT HIS LIFE ON THE LINE, IT'S THE LIFE OF OTHERS THAT DON'T DESERVE TO BE THERE. The FUNNY PART OF THE WHOLE AMERICAN DRAMA is Palin claiming that it was "God's Plan"... AMERICA COULD HAVE PREVENTED THE WHOLE WAR!!! BUT IT CHOSE NOT TO BECAUSE IT WAS AFTER SOMETHING BIG!!!

.... is like saying YES TO EXTREME TORTURE because he is a candidate who recently VOTED AGAINST HR 2082, the Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008, which included provisions that WOULD HAVE PREVENTED the CIA from WATERBOARDING PRISONERS (a form of TORTURE)

.... is like saying YES TO ABU GHARAIB and INHUMAIN ACTS OF CRIME being held AGAINST THOSE WHO HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG BUT FIGHT FOR THEIR OWN COUNTRY.

.... is like saying YES TO WORLD WAR 3 even though America has an UNFINISHED AND LOST WAR IN ITS OWN HANDS! A MESS THAT IS TOO BIG FOR IT TO ADMITT THAT THEY LOST!! And the best part is - THE WORLD KNOWS IT!!

.... is like saying YES TO MANY UNJUSTIFIED CASES SUCH AS THAT OF AAFIA SIDDIQUI! One of many cases that show U. Government and Bush administration is engaged in COMMITTING ATROCITIES of Muslims and DESTRUCTION of Islamic world by DIRECT MILITART ATTCKES on some countries, BLACKMAIL, THREATS, ASSASSINATIONS, and OTHER INTRIGUE for the last eight years. It's the RIGHT that every person has "INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY" IS SHE GUILTY? NO EVIDENCE TO PROVE IT! I WISH THE DAY TO COME IN WHICH AMERICA WOULD CALL ITSELF THE TERRORISTS!

.... is like saying YES TO AMERICA'S SUPPORT TO ISRAEL'S ILLEGAL ACTS OF CRIME TOWARDS PALESTINE as it is AMERICA THAT PROVIDES ISRAEL WITH AID LARGER THAN ANY AFRICAN COUNTRY... ISREAL BEING A LAND THAT POSSESS NUCLEAR WEAPONS!!

.... I can go on for such a long time.... 

 

McCain is quiet literally a JOKER! And that Sarah Palin is just being played as a card. McCain never gave a damn about women! His party called Hilary Clinton a, and I quote, "BITCH!!" And what is his response - LAUGHTER!!! There is NO RESPECT, no such thing as respect whatsoever! That act alone cost him the loss of female votes. So what does he do to regain them? Puts up an UNEXPERIENCED FORMER-BEAUTY  - now keeping in mind that she is supposed to be in charge of the White House when it is in danger, was she the best move? The answer is clearly a NO. But for those stupid and blind enough to see that she was just given the position for winning back female votes. If we are to talk of the PROFESSION itself... the woman lacks it majorly. And for a role that big to play - a FAR TO BEIG A RISK that it verges on UNACCEPTABLE, DANGEROUS! McCain is a PLAYER!!

America needs to get back up on it's feet.

MCCAIN can NOT win! Well, he probably can because it still fascinates me that Bush managed to hang on for 8 years! But if McCain wins, he wins unfaithfully and dishonestly. People inside the cycle will be playing about with the votes and make him win.

And that's another reason why not to vote for McCain - CONNECTION WITH BUSH

The very day Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans - what did McCain do? EAT HIS BIRTHDAY CAKE with president Bush! While OTHERS STUCK IN NEW ORLEANS FACING DEATH AND UNBEARABLE CONDITIONS... McCain IS HAPPY nad CELEBRATES HIS BIRTHDAY! POSES FOR CAMERAS ALONGSIDE PRESIDENT BUSH. ALL SMILES. BUT WHAT ABOUT NEW ORLEANS?!!! IT DIDN'T MEAN A THING TO THEM!! And on the day that the Republicans were to start their campaign, it was the same day that the another hurricane struck New Orleans. What did they do? Continue with the show! That's how much they care!! WHY VOTE FOR A PRESIDENT THAT DOES NOT CARE ABOUT HIS OWN PEOPLE? IF PEOPLE IN HIS LAND ARE SUFFERING, WHY IS IT SO HARD TO SHOW RESPECT?!! Something as little as postponing that advertisment for one day would have been enough - but no!! IF AMERICA IS TO VOTE FOR A PRESIDENT, IT HAS TO VOTE FOR A PRESIDENT THAT UNDERSTANDS SUFFERING!! MCCAIN WAS PLACED BEHIND BARS SO HE SHOULD KNOW - BUT FOR SOME REASON, HIS HEART IS TOO COLD TO FEEL ANYTHING!! IS THAT THE SORT OF PRESIDENT THAT AMERICA WANTS!!?! IF SO, THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE KEPT PRESIDENT BUSH!! BECAUSE MCCAIN IS NO DIFFERENT FROM HIM!!

Baring in mind, AMERICA NEEDS TO MAKE THE RIGHT CHANGES. INTERNATIONAL REPUTATION IS RUINED. IF AMERICA EVER WANTS TO GET BACK UP ON ITS FEET IT NEED TO MAKE THE RIGHT CHANGES!

ENOUGH OF 8 YEARS OF REPUBLICANS!! HAVEN'T THE 8 YEARS SHOWN YOU ALL SOMETHING!!?!!

AMERICA NEEDS TO CHANGE - VOTE OBAMA!!! VOTE DEMOCRATS!!!

 

CAPS LOCK MEANS YOU ARE EDUCATED!!!

 

Ugh.

The fact that you wrote "McCain is no different than Bush" is a good indicator of how much research you have done on this subject. So, my brilliant political analyst - do you get all your info from campaign ads?

When Obama gets in, I'll be sure to pop back in here in a year or so so I can get you to list all the sweeping changes he has initiated.

All hype.

 


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kendall Mon Sep 29 20:44:06 UTC 2008
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Too bad Hillary isnt in the race. That was so wrong. She would have beat everyone! NOBAMA!

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IngridLouise Mon Sep 29 21:08:37 UTC 2008
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I would have preferred Hillary too, but I actually think that Obama has a higher chance of winning

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Lauren_B Mon Sep 29 21:16:40 UTC 2008
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I wanted Hillary too. Obama is second best :)
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The main reason that Obama should not be president is that he is unaccomplished. He  has been groomed to campaign and hasn't spent any time in Illinois doing work in the Senate. (And if anybody knows about how shady and corrupt Illinois politics are, they are the lowest of the low). He was sworn in January 2006. He has spent pretty much all of that time campaigning.

Seriously guys, the man has a gift for speaking. He's a fantastic orator. People listen to him as if in some sort of hypnotized spell, but nobody with half a brain must be listening to what he is saying. The man is a freakin' Socialist. He is too far Left Wing to appease the American public. That and since congress is filled with Democrats, our system of checks and balances will collapse and Washington will conduct business essentially veto free.

I could go on, but bottom line is: Democrats keep such an open mind their brains are leaking out.

I don't necessarily agree with McCain on everything, but choosing him would be the lesser of two evils.

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ImNotThatGirl Tue Sep 30 05:45:44 UTC 2008
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i'm one of those who are still undecided...it's like...i don't want mccain to keep us in iraq for another 50 years, but at the same time i'm not convinced that obama is experienced enough to deal with the crummy state george bush has left america in...

i guess i agree with meat_wad - i just have to take the time to choose who i believe is the lesser of two evils.

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QUOTE: Meat_Wad

The main reason that Obama should not be president is that he is unaccomplished. He  has been groomed to campaign and hasn't spent any time in Illinois doing work in the Senate. (And if anybody knows about how shady and corrupt Illinois politics are, they are the lowest of the low). He was sworn in January 2006. He has spent pretty much all of that time campaigning.

Seriously guys, the man has a gift for speaking. He's a fantastic orator. People listen to him as if in some sort of hypnotized spell, but nobody with half a brain must be listening to what he is saying. The man is a freakin' Socialist. He is too far Left Wing to appease the American public. That and since congress is filled with Democrats, our system of checks and balances will collapse and Washington will conduct business essentially veto free.

I could go on, but bottom line is: Democrats keep such an open mind their brains are leaking out.

I don't necessarily agree with McCain on everything, but choosing him would be the lesser of two evils.

lol, Obama is far from being a socialist. Most of the people I know are socialists or left wing. I am moderate, and I am still more of a socialist than him. I think he is enough to the left to actually help Usa though.

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QUOTE: PureDedication206

 Once again, don't formulate an opinion based on the actions of others. Didn't your mother teach you anything?

 

They're over there doing their JOB. What would you know about supporting troops anyway? Unless you're living here in the US seeing your friends being shipped off to fight in a war that they know is bull, created by the worst president in history, however knowing they still must do their job, you know NOTHING about these men and women. 

 

Maybe you should keep your callous opinions in Scotland.

Hilarious!!!

L O L!!!

Actions speak louder than words!!!

And what would you know about me to talk to me about that?!! Britain was dragged into this mess created by America - do you honestly think we are happy being involved with you guys. We don't want to be - and don't want to lose more friends as they are being sent there!! Did you know that?! Did you know that I have lost some friends at war?! Do you know I have seen some of my friends come back and barely recognised them? Tortured by an event - an devent which didn't need our involvement!! YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT! DID YOU?! YOU DIDN'T THINK FOR ONE SPLIT SECOND THAT THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE WORLD THAT ARE SUFFERING!!! NOT JUST AMERICA!!!!

But what is there to expect from most people living in America! I mean, of course you'll support your troops. Your media bombards you all with the good images of what your troops do. Brainwash you all and claim that your troops are doing their jobs!

AFTER ALL THAT I HAVE MENTIONED I WOULDN'T IMAGINE YOU TO HAVE KNOWN OF THESE THINGS! TELL ME DID YOU KNOW OF ANYTHING IN MY FIRST POST ON THIS THREAD BEFORE I MENTIONED IT? WERE YOU AWARE OF THE THINGS THAT ARE BEING HID AWAY FROM YOU PEOPLE?!

PROABALY NO - BECAUSE YOU ONLY VIEW AMERICA AS AN ALL-GOOD NATION!

STEROTYPICAL!

 

I have you know that us Scots don't let people like you put as down - we are proud of who we are!

delovelylou Tue Sep 30 13:46:58 UTC 2008
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QUOTE: prettayitz

I'm not one to debate on hnet with ignorant people, but I cant stay out of this one.

Ok so pull your heads out of your rears for a minute here and try to hear me out... probably wont happen. My husband is a soldier and he served two 9 month tours in Iraq. He saw his own soldiers get blown up by Iraqis and had a few close calls himself. He is not a bad person, nor did he go over there on a mission to kill. He went over there to do his job. I agree we have a horrible president who made horrible decisions, and unfortunately I don't believe any of the upcoming candidates this election are looking very promising to make much better decisions.

When it comes to our people, our men and soldiers, risking their asses for our freedom, regardless of how they feel about the war, THEY DO DESERVE RESPECT, and a lot of it. I have numerous friends fighting the war in Iraq, away from their wives/husbands and children. You will never know what it feels like to be the one back here in the US knowing what they are going through so please think twice before trashing them. 

 

 

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1. Don't call me ignorant because I probably know much more about your country than you as an American do

2. I admire the fact that you have come on here and spoken about a personal issue but like I said this war had no reason. Lost war. Damage and ruined lives and killed people for no reason. Does that sound fair to you?

3. You mentioned the American side suffering - Iraqis too are suffering.There was an incident in which American soldiers bombed each and every house in a small village - only one person, a young child, was alive because she pretended that she was dead. So I ask you - can you imagine how horrific that must have been? Lying there among the dead bodies of your family members. Fearing what could happen to you. Not wanting to get back up on your feet because you have lost sooo much and the sadness locked inside is too much. Imaging is one thing - experiencing it is much more worse. 

4. Iraqis are fighting because they want their land back. They know, just as the rest of the world does, that Iraq was not supposed to be bombed.

 

delovelylou Tue Sep 30 13:50:09 UTC 2008
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CaptainAmerica,

L O L ! ! ! !

 

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QUOTE: Meat_Wad

The main reason that Obama should not be president is that he is unaccomplished. He  has been groomed to campaign and hasn't spent any time in Illinois doing work in the Senate. (And if anybody knows about how shady and corrupt Illinois politics are, they are the lowest of the low). He was sworn in January 2006. He has spent pretty much all of that time campaigning.

Seriously guys, the man has a gift for speaking. He's a fantastic orator. People listen to him as if in some sort of hypnotized spell, but nobody with half a brain must be listening to what he is saying. The man is a freakin' Socialist. He is too far Left Wing to appease the American public. That and since congress is filled with Democrats, our system of checks and balances will collapse and Washington will conduct business essentially veto free.

I could go on, but bottom line is: Democrats keep such an open mind their brains are leaking out.

I don't necessarily agree with McCain on everything, but choosing him would be the lesser of two evils.

Now, this is a great comment!

All I want to add is that Obama has been exposed to so many things in the past - so he is aware of them and has deep understanding through personal experience. Huge plus.

When it comes to inexperienceed or too young - let me put it this way, it never stopped Bill Clinton.

Plus Obama has an experienced Biden along his side - so it's all well.

McCain isn't a great speaker - he's dull and boring. Palin is what is keeping the spotlights on the Republicans - that's her purpose. But I just don't like the way the Republicans take things - too aggressive and pathetic really.

These Amerian elections can be soo melodramatic.

PureDedication206 Tue Sep 30 21:27:29 UTC 2008
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delovelylou , you jump to far too many conclusions. Our media has nothing to do with my support of the troops. Nothing. Not in the least bit. You think I haven't heard, and seen, the negative affects of what ALL the soldiers go through?? Wrong.

 

But really, type in all caps if it makes you feel good, jump to conclusion after conclusion and believe what you want. You're making yourself look and sound like an ass, despite 'all' that you know. And do NOT think you know what my beliefs are, because you have no clue.

 

 

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QUOTE: delovelylou

QUOTE: PureDedication206

 Once again, don't formulate an opinion based on the actions of others. Didn't your mother teach you anything?

 

They're over there doing their JOB. What would you know about supporting troops anyway? Unless you're living here in the US seeing your friends being shipped off to fight in a war that they know is bull, created by the worst president in history, however knowing they still must do their job, you know NOTHING about these men and women. 

 

Maybe you should keep your callous opinions in Scotland.

Hilarious!!!

L O L!!!

Actions speak louder than words!!!

And what would you know about me to talk to me about that?!! Britain was dragged into this mess created by America - do you honestly think we are happy being involved with you guys. We don't want to be - and don't want to lose more friends as they are being sent there!! Did you know that?! Did you know that I have lost some friends at war?! Do you know I have seen some of my friends come back and barely recognised them? Tortured by an event - an devent which didn't need our involvement!! YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT! DID YOU?! YOU DIDN'T THINK FOR ONE SPLIT SECOND THAT THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE WORLD THAT ARE SUFFERING!!! NOT JUST AMERICA!!!!

But what is there to expect from most people living in America! I mean, of course you'll support your troops. Your media bombards you all with the good images of what your troops do. Brainwash you all and claim that your troops are doing their jobs!

AFTER ALL THAT I HAVE MENTIONED I WOULDN'T IMAGINE YOU TO HAVE KNOWN OF THESE THINGS! TELL ME DID YOU KNOW OF ANYTHING IN MY FIRST POST ON THIS THREAD BEFORE I MENTIONED IT? WERE YOU AWARE OF THE THINGS THAT ARE BEING HID AWAY FROM YOU PEOPLE?!

PROABALY NO - BECAUSE YOU ONLY VIEW AMERICA AS AN ALL-GOOD NATION!

STEROTYPICAL!

 

I have you know that us Scots don't let people like you put as down - we are proud of who we are!

You did just stereotype every American by assuming we know nothing of what goes on. Not everyone thinks the same way. She was basically trying to say the same thing you just did in regards to knowing what it's like to have friends and family fight in a war and come back changed and have suffered. Please tone down the talking down to people and assuming all Americans are ignorant.


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LOL, sooo not getting into this argument.  I am voting for McCain though. :)

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well by voting for mccain, you're basically sending every 18-24 male into war. personally, i can't deal with another four years of mistakes.

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All I want to say is....by voting for mccain the only people that are being sent into war are the people who signed up for it..You all act like theirs a draft or something but come on people.....when citizens join the military now they know what they are getting themselves into...give me a break

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delovelylou Wed Oct 01 12:56:25 UTC 2008
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Y A W N  !!!!!

That's how much I care about what you have to say lol!!

Move on - believe what you want to and continue being the way that you are because quite frankly I don't care. You just stick to living in that little bubble of yours.

I don't care

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