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| RunawayWithTay14 | Sun Sep 28 00:49:22 UTC 2008 |
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I'm voting republican..... I dont LOVE either of them, but my views are more like McCain's than Obabmas. 
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| Fan4Life | Sun Sep 28 01:00:42 UTC 2008 |
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QUOTE: RunawayWithTay14I'm voting republican..... I dont LOVE either of them, but my views are more like McCain's than Obabmas.
Yep, I think McCain is much more qualified to be President than Obama; however, if Obama were to become President, it wouldn't be the end of the world. --Jessica |
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| peacenlove | Sun Sep 28 08:03:47 UTC 2008 |
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I'm voting Obama because the thought of McCain dying and having Palin as president makes me nautious.
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| IngridLouise | Sun Sep 28 13:00:01 UTC 2008 |
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QUOTE: 90s.kidI agree with everything you said delovelylou except for your words regarding Israel. I fail to understand how Israel is committing illegal acts of crime against Palestinians right now. Here are the facts: Israel has tried at every opportunity to establish a peace agreement. Following the 6 day war, Israel took control of the entire Sinai Penninsula, and then gave it all back for the sake of a peace agreement. They agreed to the partition plan that would split the state, but the Palestinians refused it. The withdrew from areas heavily population by Palestinians, including the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, and gave Palestine political autonomy in this areas. This was such a controversial move that Prime Minister Rabin was assassinated following the decision. Has there been two sided violence here? Yes, there has. Former Israeli administrations did treat Palestinians very poorly, and the security wall was not exactly a great decision. But it went both ways. Palestinians (NOT terrorists, there is a difference people) attacked several Jewish holy sites in 2000, and Israel has right to defend itself. I mean the country gets bombed by every terrorist organization in the book, and you're criticizing it because Palestinians refuse to accept Israel's peace propositions? I've studied this subject objectively. There have been atrocities on either side, but the fact of the matter is that Israel has done the best it can to attempt to achieve peace with Palestine, but Palestine has an uncompromising all-or-nothing policy backed by Hamas and Hezbollah. If there ever was to be a country that had Nuclear Power, I'm glad it's them. Would you rather Iraq have nuclear power? In 1981, the Israeli air-force destroyed a nuclear reactor that France was building for Iraq. ISrael is the one of the leading countries in terms of development of new technologies and energy research. The way you wrote that, it made it sounds as if Obama does not support Israel, which is a lie. He does too. The US stance on Israel has always been one of support, that's not going to change anytime soon.
sorry, slightly OT, but I just wanted to put that out there. I am curious as to how you can say that you've studied it "objectively" and still say that israel has done it's best to achieve peace! They've barely accepted any of the resolutions that the UN has proposed (and the UN was pretty effing tired of it in 2004 at least). i completely agree that both sides have doing horrible things and I'm not saying that the palestinian government is all that great, but how can you support one barbaric government over another? None of them should get any "support". Hamas is a terrorist organization and Israel's government is treating normal palestinians as rats and kill innocent civilians (and press photographers) but gets away with it. And as long as you're talking about their nuclear power - they hid their program from the rest of the world, and put the guy who exposed it in jail! I'd like the see some sources for the non-terrorist palestinians who attacked holy sites in 2000 though. --------------------------------------------------- Never met Hanson ~Ingrid~
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| Callahan | Sun Sep 28 15:31:10 UTC 2008 |
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The fact remains that people will still vote for McCain because most have a hard time identifying and correcting past mistakes. It has little to do with their views matching McCain's views when he is so completely out of touch with everything except death and war. Shame on them. What a big topic for this message board. Perhaps we should stick to discussing who is more attractive - Taylor or Zac? |
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| Lauren_B | Sun Sep 28 23:01:39 UTC 2008 |
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Wow. I agree with what delovelylou said about America being the most hated part of the world at the moment. Unfortunately in New Zealand it's reputation is in tatters and McCain and Palin are going down like a bucket of sick. I also agree with what someone else said that perhaps it's difficult when you are from America to see the impact that your government has on us. Despite what we think of it America has an overwhelming influence on the rest of the world. I don't want to speak for the rest of the world when I say this but NZ is definitely hoping that Obama is the next president. Callahan - lol Taylor, definitely :) |
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| delovelylou | Sun Sep 28 23:59:08 UTC 2008 |
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QUOTE: IngridLouiseQUOTE: Free_FallingQUOTE: delovelylouFree Falling, I call myself a ANTI-WAR I'm anti-war as well, but we're not fighting a war with Iraq. We're occupying a country, not fighting them. There's a big difference. I don't like that the U.S. (or any other country) is in Iraq, but we were never fighting with Iraq as a country. We're occupying the country with the intent to fight terrorism. And yes, it's gone too far with regards to the amount of time we have been there, but Bush had absolutely no way of knowing just how far this was all going to go. Besides, if you're from Scotland, why do you even care so much? Most of the things that our president does will have NO effect on you whatsoever. He's the President of the United States, not the Ruler of the World... The war in Iraq is very much a war. The intent was not to fight terrorism - it was because Hussein was supposed to have nuclear weapons. When they found out that Iraq didn't have nuclear weapons they tried to twist the reasons for war onto being about terrorism or "freeing the people". And maybe it's hard to see when you live in Usa, but a lot of the things that your beloved president does affect the rest of the world.The war in Iraq is a huge proof of that Lie! Lie! Lie! They KNEW that there was no nuclear weapon in Iraq - 2 words to prove that - DAVID KELLY!
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| delovelylou | Mon Sep 29 00:07:08 UTC 2008 |
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QUOTE: jenyffer.mariaQUOTE: delovelylouL O L ! ! ! ! Look, if the comment is too long to read - just press the link and listen to Bill Clinton's speech. After all that I have said - still it's "VOTE MCCAIN" I can't stop laughing at the level of stupidity!!!
It's sad when you as foreigner know more of what's going on policitally in my country than most of us living here. (I admire you so much for that, btw.) That's why we're in the mess we're in because we'll dive right into whatever sugarcoated words a person has to offer without doing research. I don't care who you vote for just give me educated reasoning that will benefit EVERYONE in this country and not just a chunk of it. America's become the very thing we ran away from in it's very beginning. I don't know whether I should be happy or sad for what you have said. Part of me is happy because you have shown your admiration for me which is ever so sweet because I wasn't expecting any psitive feelings towards me, so thank you. But at the same time I am sad because as Americans, it is you people who vote. It's you people who makes the changes. To make the right changes you need to know what goes on in your own country. I'm expecting that after everything that I write people will still vote McCain - why? because they blind to the reality. Your job as an American is to know America not to run away from it. You can't run away. You need to be open to the truth - that's why I think that your American Elections are just pathetic. All that you see is the positive images of both sides. You never see the full truth - just the positive, sometimes they are true sometimes they are not, but it doesn't matter as the aim is to earn votes. You can't believe everything and unfortunately the art of advertisment falls into place brilliantly here. Please wake up America - the future is grim!
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| delovelylou | Mon Sep 29 00:10:46 UTC 2008 |
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QUOTE: EllieEzzie18ohwow. delovelylou, u r sooo dead on. im a democrat, i don't wanna vote for obama, but since hiliary is out of the running, i have no choice. roc on. not only is our world messed up but it'z twice as bad since bush first got into office 8 years ago. republicans are money hungry war mongers. democrats r 'bout fairness and doing things the right way.
Thanks [high five] - spread the word and get others to do the same. Please keep mentioning the name AAFIA SIDDIQUI! Thanks again
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| delovelylou | Mon Sep 29 00:23:38 UTC 2008 |
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QUOTE: 90s.kidThe resources are a course that I took that studied a history of the conflict over Israel/Palestine, the news, history textbooks, etc. I can't really list specifics because I don't know precisely what news stations, or where all of the information from that class came from.
You mentioned Hezbollah – a group of Freedom Fighters fighting for their country and their freedom against the illegal Israeli occupation and crimes. Worth pointing out that this is an organisation formed after Israel’s invasion in Lebanon in 1982 (Sabra and Shatila - Palestinian refugee camps in Lebanon) The irony of this all is that the Palestinians that left Palestine to live in Lebanon moved to live a safe and healthy life. But even outside Palestine, and as long as they are Palestinians, there is no such thing. Israel came after them and the massacre was unbelievable.There are so many videos across the net an indigenous population was almost completely expelled. Village names have been removed from the map, houses blown up, and new forests planted. In Arabic, this is called the Nakba, or catastrophe. In Israel, this is called "independence." -- This land was theirs by Hannah Mermelstein; The Jewish Advocate, 24 Apr 2008 Some articles that are interesting – Israel "committing memorycide" “IlanPappe says Israel needs to acknowledge the crime it committedagainst the Palestinian people... Between February, 1948 and December,1948 the Israeli army systematically occupied the Palestinian villages and towns, expelled by force the population and in most cases also destroyed the houses, looted their belongings and took over their material and cultural possessions. This was the ethnic cleansing of Palestine. To broaden your awareness that this is an issue that has ran for many decades: “The fall of an Arab Town in 1948" “David Ben-Gurion declares the state of Israel on May 14, 1948.... “- Aerial Sharon |
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| delovelylou | Mon Sep 29 00:26:09 UTC 2008 |
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Hmmmm..... that didn't turn out the way I wanted it to lol!
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| delovelylou | Mon Sep 29 00:28:31 UTC 2008 |
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QUOTE: vampyre54im not a registered voter... and i think neither are good enough to represent our country. im sad Hillary Clinton isn't up...
Obama...hell no. remember the guy that blew up the pentagon like...15 years ago? yeah..those 2 are friends...why would we want Obama in office?? I can't stop laughing at my own post ... an dthen I come across yours and my sides are hurting - source please... too funny! |
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| delovelylou | Mon Sep 29 00:31:53 UTC 2008 |
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QUOTE: Fan4LifeQUOTE: RunawayWithTay14I'm voting republican..... I dont LOVE either of them, but my views are more like McCain's than Obabmas.
Yep, I think McCain is much more qualified to be President than Obama; however, if Obama were to become President, it wouldn't be the end of the world. --Jessica 8 years of damage and failure - and you want an extra 4 added to that?!! I would have thought 8 years was more than enough!
It's obvious that there are other things going through the head of McCain - and McCain is not much of a difference from Bush. Wake up America, World War 3 is coming... you need to get back up on you feet |
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| delovelylou | Mon Sep 29 00:38:45 UTC 2008 |
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QUOTE: CallahanThe fact remains that people will still vote for McCain because most have a hard time identifying and correcting past mistakes. It has little to do with their views matching McCain's views when he is so completely out of touch with everything except death and war. Shame on them. What a big topic for this message board. Perhaps we should stick to discussing who is more attractive - Taylor or Zac? I'll tell you how I see it. 8 years of Republicans - and tell me what they have done for America? A mess to deep to deal with in the short term and can take decades to fix unless they have other things on mind. So give them 4 years... what will that do? Un-do everything that they have done? Make up for the 8 years in which they have not just ruined America but also the world?! Anyone or anything is better than the Republicans! And if the only option is Democrats - then Democrats it is! Vote Democrats because enough is enough!
PS: Both Zac and Taylor are charmers but by a close margin it would have to be Taylor |
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| PureDedication206 | Mon Sep 29 00:39:15 UTC 2008 |
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QUOTE: delovelylouDo you honestly think that they will be put in risky positions?!! What makes you think that they are loyal fighters and not one like this man over here: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Vtuqlw_a5qw
Another thing - fighting this war is not fighting a war. It's just killing whoever is in your way because you don't have the time to figue out who is and who is not a "terrorist" - notice the inverted comments. This war is categorised a illegal and lost - and with darn good reasons too. This war had nothing but the word destruction written all over. There was no evidence whatsoever to prove that Nuclear Weapons of Massdestruction existed in Iraq. Yet they went to attack it. So this war started with no reason, how is it going to end? It'll have to end with no reason! The war was pointless - so why can't America say they lost? Why can't America say that they were wrong? Why can't America walk out and leave Iraq? They've ruined it and made it unstable - so they can't leave. Solution? There is only one! Long-term or permanent occupation. Did they expect that things would turn out this way? YES..... http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=a7kkx9domJo
And heck yeah, America is screwed either way becasue what President Bush has done has jeprodised not just the future of America but the world. Good luck America!
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Have a little respect. You don't need to support the war, but support the troops. - - - - - - - *Mrs SheLLi Zeplin* - Married 12.27.08 - "Oh, give me the beat boys and free my soul, I wanna get lost in your rock n roll and drift away..." -TRB IX - |
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| delovelylou | Mon Sep 29 00:43:50 UTC 2008 |
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QUOTE: Lauren_BWow. I agree with what delovelylou said about America being the most hated part of the world at the moment. Unfortunately in New Zealand it's reputation is in tatters and McCain and Palin are going down like a bucket of sick. I also agree with what someone else said that perhaps it's difficult when you are from America to see the impact that your government has on us. Despite what we think of it America has an overwhelming influence on the rest of the world. I don't want to speak for the rest of the world when I say this but NZ is definitely hoping that Obama is the next president. Callahan - lol Taylor, definitely :) Greetings all the way to New Zealand. I can say that the UK is feeling exactly the same - a lot of support for Obama. In fact, Gordon Brown wrote an article shwoing his approval of Obama... but America complained saying that he was being one-sided... because it matters to them what he thinks (!??!) Thanks for your reply
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| delovelylou | Mon Sep 29 00:48:08 UTC 2008 |
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PureDedication206, Little respect? Support the troops? Why? It was long gone in the day of when the Abu Gharaib images were released and the criminals walked away as if they did nothing wrong. Long gone when the truth started leaking out and all this was nothing but a game. Respect is such a big word - and it's not something that is handed over so easily. You have to work honestly to earn it - this war in its entirity was dishonest!
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| PureDedication206 | Mon Sep 29 04:08:51 UTC 2008 |
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Once again, don't formulate an opinion based on the actions of others. Didn't your mother teach you anything?
They're over there doing their JOB. What would you know about supporting troops anyway? Unless you're living here in the US seeing your friends being shipped off to fight in a war that they know is bull, created by the worst president in history, however knowing they still must do their job, you know NOTHING about these men and women.
Maybe you should keep your callous opinions in Scotland. - - - - - - - *Mrs SheLLi Zeplin* - Married 12.27.08 - "Oh, give me the beat boys and free my soul, I wanna get lost in your rock n roll and drift away..." -TRB IX - |
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| prettayitz | Mon Sep 29 04:54:26 UTC 2008 |
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I'm not one to debate on hnet with ignorant people, but I cant stay out of this one. Ok so pull your heads out of your rears for a minute here and try to hear me out... probably wont happen. My husband is a soldier and he served two 9 month tours in Iraq. He saw his own soldiers get blown up by Iraqis and had a few close calls himself. He is not a bad person, nor did he go over there on a mission to kill. He went over there to do his job. I agree we have a horrible president who made horrible decisions, and unfortunately I don't believe any of the upcoming candidates this election are looking very promising to make much better decisions. When it comes to our people, our men and soldiers, risking their asses for our freedom, regardless of how they feel about the war, THEY DO DESERVE RESPECT, and a lot of it. I have numerous friends fighting the war in Iraq, away from their wives/husbands and children. You will never know what it feels like to be the one back here in the US knowing what they are going through so please think twice before trashing them.
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| pickle | Mon Sep 29 04:56:46 UTC 2008 |
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QUOTE: Lauren_BWow. I agree with what delovelylou said about America being the most hated part of the world at the moment. Unfortunately in New Zealand it's reputation is in tatters and McCain and Palin are going down like a bucket of sick. I also agree with what someone else said that perhaps it's difficult when you are from America to see the impact that your government has on us. Despite what we think of it America has an overwhelming influence on the rest of the world. I don't want to speak for the rest of the world when I say this but NZ is definitely hoping that Obama is the next president. Callahan - lol Taylor, definitely :) Then don't.
I personally hope McCain wins, Economically he works way better for me living in the US.I also come from a heavy Navel family, & no I don't support the war, but I support the troops, I support my family/father/grandfather/pop/cousins/Uncles.Either way, I don't care what anyone says the troops will be in there @ least a yr after if obama comes in, you can't just pull them out and leave the countries the way they are.
People that decide not to vote for Obama r not uneducated, they just have different views/beliefs on life, & have different needs.Not everything is so black & white.
& aside from all that, you take Palin out of the picture ( which most republicans I know, don't care for her, but look @ it realistically, and know she isn't going to have much control)the difference between Obama & McCain is not nearly as drastic as the one between Obama & bush...
But before some of you come back all high horse yelling @ me, as you have decided to do with others, I will say it again, Voting is a personal opinion, in which everyone is entitled to, what other people decide is not wrong, Just because its not of your opinion.
(sorry no letter before B)
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