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delovelylou Sat Sep 27 15:20:28 UTC 2008
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No for Obama?!!! What a joke!

I'm just going to give you 2 words why NOT TO VOTE FOR THE REPUBLICANS... Bill Clinton. That man gave such an incredible speech in Denveur. Listen to everything he has to say...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=G3r6xvwPGcY  (almost 22 minutes long, absolute quality)

 

Ok - let's for one second say no for Obama and yes for McCain.

What does hat actaully mean for the future of America (the most hated part of the world at the moment, so there is immense pressure that whoever takes the position of president has to tidy things up and polish the image of America)?

So we are saying YES TO MCCAIN

.... is like saying YES TO ILLEGAL WAR in which HE IS HAPPY to stay there for many years.“Make it a hundred years. We’ve been in Japan for 60 years”... probably happy because it's NOT HIS LIFE ON THE LINE, IT'S THE LIFE OF OTHERS THAT DON'T DESERVE TO BE THERE. The FUNNY PART OF THE WHOLE AMERICAN DRAMA is Palin claiming that it was "God's Plan"... AMERICA COULD HAVE PREVENTED THE WHOLE WAR!!! BUT IT CHOSE NOT TO BECAUSE IT WAS AFTER SOMETHING BIG!!!

.... is like saying YES TO EXTREME TORTURE because he is a candidate who recently VOTED AGAINST HR 2082, the Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008, which included provisions that WOULD HAVE PREVENTED the CIA from WATERBOARDING PRISONERS (a form of TORTURE)

.... is like saying YES TO ABU GHARAIB and INHUMAIN ACTS OF CRIME being held AGAINST THOSE WHO HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG BUT FIGHT FOR THEIR OWN COUNTRY.

.... is like saying YES TO WORLD WAR 3 even though America has an UNFINISHED AND LOST WAR IN ITS OWN HANDS! A MESS THAT IS TOO BIG FOR IT TO ADMITT THAT THEY LOST!! And the best part is - THE WORLD KNOWS IT!!

.... is like saying YES TO MANY UNJUSTIFIED CASES SUCH AS THAT OF AAFIA SIDDIQUI! One of many cases that show U. Government and Bush administration is engaged in COMMITTING ATROCITIES of Muslims and DESTRUCTION of Islamic world by DIRECT MILITART ATTCKES on some countries, BLACKMAIL, THREATS, ASSASSINATIONS, and OTHER INTRIGUE for the last eight years. It's the RIGHT that every person has "INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY" IS SHE GUILTY? NO EVIDENCE TO PROVE IT! I WISH THE DAY TO COME IN WHICH AMERICA WOULD CALL ITSELF THE TERRORISTS!

.... is like saying YES TO AMERICA'S SUPPORT TO ISRAEL'S ILLEGAL ACTS OF CRIME TOWARDS PALESTINE as it is AMERICA THAT PROVIDES ISRAEL WITH AID LARGER THAN ANY AFRICAN COUNTRY... ISREAL BEING A LAND THAT POSSESS NUCLEAR WEAPONS!!

.... I can go on for such a long time.... 

 

McCain is quiet literally a JOKER! And that Sarah Palin is just being played as a card. McCain never gave a damn about women! His party called Hilary Clinton a, and I quote, "BITCH!!" And what is his response - LAUGHTER!!! There is NO RESPECT, no such thing as respect whatsoever! That act alone cost him the loss of female votes. So what does he do to regain them? Puts up an UNEXPERIENCED FORMER-BEAUTY  - now keeping in mind that she is supposed to be in charge of the White House when it is in danger, was she the best move? The answer is clearly a NO. But for those stupid and blind enough to see that she was just given the position for winning back female votes. If we are to talk of the PROFESSION itself... the woman lacks it majorly. And for a role that big to play - a FAR TO BEIG A RISK that it verges on UNACCEPTABLE, DANGEROUS! McCain is a PLAYER!!

America needs to get back up on it's feet.

MCCAIN can NOT win! Well, he probably can because it still fascinates me that Bush managed to hang on for 8 years! But if McCain wins, he wins unfaithfully and dishonestly. People inside the cycle will be playing about with the votes and make him win.

And that's another reason why not to vote for McCain - CONNECTION WITH BUSH

The very day Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans - what did McCain do? EAT HIS BIRTHDAY CAKE with president Bush! While OTHERS STUCK IN NEW ORLEANS FACING DEATH AND UNBEARABLE CONDITIONS... McCain IS HAPPY nad CELEBRATES HIS BIRTHDAY! POSES FOR CAMERAS ALONGSIDE PRESIDENT BUSH. ALL SMILES. BUT WHAT ABOUT NEW ORLEANS?!!! IT DIDN'T MEAN A THING TO THEM!! And on the day that the Republicans were to start their campaign, it was the same day that the another hurricane struck New Orleans. What did they do? Continue with the show! That's how much they care!! WHY VOTE FOR A PRESIDENT THAT DOES NOT CARE ABOUT HIS OWN PEOPLE? IF PEOPLE IN HIS LAND ARE SUFFERING, WHY IS IT SO HARD TO SHOW RESPECT?!! Something as little as postponing that advertisment for one day would have been enough - but no!! IF AMERICA IS TO VOTE FOR A PRESIDENT, IT HAS TO VOTE FOR A PRESIDENT THAT UNDERSTANDS SUFFERING!! MCCAIN WAS PLACED BEHIND BARS SO HE SHOULD KNOW - BUT FOR SOME REASON, HIS HEART IS TOO COLD TO FEEL ANYTHING!! IS THAT THE SORT OF PRESIDENT THAT AMERICA WANTS!!?! IF SO, THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE KEPT PRESIDENT BUSH!! BECAUSE MCCAIN IS NO DIFFERENT FROM HIM!!

Baring in mind, AMERICA NEEDS TO MAKE THE RIGHT CHANGES. INTERNATIONAL REPUTATION IS RUINED. IF AMERICA EVER WANTS TO GET BACK UP ON ITS FEET IT NEED TO MAKE THE RIGHT CHANGES!

ENOUGH OF 8 YEARS OF REPUBLICANS!! HAVEN'T THE 8 YEARS SHOWN YOU ALL SOMETHING!!?!!

AMERICA NEEDS TO CHANGE - VOTE OBAMA!!! VOTE DEMOCRATS!!!

 

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NO OBAMA!!! VOTE MCCAIN!! VOTE REPUBLICAN!!

delovelylou Sat Sep 27 15:46:10 UTC 2008
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 L O L ! ! ! !

Look, if the comment is too long to read - just press the link and listen to Bill Clinton's speech.

After all that I have said - still it's "VOTE MCCAIN"

I can't stop laughing at the level of stupidity!!!

 

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I don't support, or trust, either of them.

 

But I wanted to add something inreference to delovelylou's comment "NOT HIS LIFE ON THE LINE"... it may not be his, however he does have 2 or 3 children over there fighting.

 

 

But like I said, I think they're both a joke and we're screwed either way. 

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Free_Falling Sat Sep 27 15:58:18 UTC 2008
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QUOTE: delovelylou

No for Obama?!!! What a joke!

I'm just going to give you 2 words why NOT TO VOTE FOR THE REPUBLICANS... Bill Clinton. That man gave such an incredible speech in Denveur. Listen to everything he has to say...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=G3r6xvwPGcY  (almost 22 minutes long, absolute quality)

 

Ok - let's for one second say no for Obama and yes for McCain.

What does hat actaully mean for the future of America (the most hated part of the world at the moment, so there is immense pressure that whoever takes the position of president has to tidy things up and polish the image of America)?

So we are saying YES TO MCCAIN

.... is like saying YES TO ILLEGAL WAR in which HE IS HAPPY to stay there for many years.“Make it a hundred years. We’ve been in Japan for 60 years”... probably happy because it's NOT HIS LIFE ON THE LINE, IT'S THE LIFE OF OTHERS THAT DON'T DESERVE TO BE THERE. The FUNNY PART OF THE WHOLE AMERICAN DRAMA is Palin claiming that it was "God's Plan"... AMERICA COULD HAVE PREVENTED THE WHOLE WAR!!! BUT IT CHOSE NOT TO BECAUSE IT WAS AFTER SOMETHING BIG!!!

.... is like saying YES TO EXTREME TORTURE because he is a candidate who recently VOTED AGAINST HR 2082, the Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008, which included provisions that WOULD HAVE PREVENTED the CIA from WATERBOARDING PRISONERS (a form of TORTURE)

.... is like saying YES TO ABU GHARAIB and INHUMAIN ACTS OF CRIME being held AGAINST THOSE WHO HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG BUT FIGHT FOR THEIR OWN COUNTRY.

.... is like saying YES TO WORLD WAR 3 even though America has an UNFINISHED AND LOST WAR IN ITS OWN HANDS! A MESS THAT IS TOO BIG FOR IT TO ADMITT THAT THEY LOST!! And the best part is - THE WORLD KNOWS IT!!

.... is like saying YES TO MANY UNJUSTIFIED CASES SUCH AS THAT OF AAFIA SIDDIQUI! One of many cases that show U. Government and Bush administration is engaged in COMMITTING ATROCITIES of Muslims and DESTRUCTION of Islamic world by DIRECT MILITART ATTCKES on some countries, BLACKMAIL, THREATS, ASSASSINATIONS, and OTHER INTRIGUE for the last eight years. It's the RIGHT that every person has "INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY" IS SHE GUILTY? NO EVIDENCE TO PROVE IT! I WISH THE DAY TO COME IN WHICH AMERICA WOULD CALL ITSELF THE TERRORISTS!

.... is like saying YES TO AMERICA'S SUPPORT TO ISRAEL'S ILLEGAL ACTS OF CRIME TOWARDS PALESTINE as it is AMERICA THAT PROVIDES ISRAEL WITH AID LARGER THAN ANY AFRICAN COUNTRY... ISREAL BEING A LAND THAT POSSESS NUCLEAR WEAPONS!!

.... I can go on for such a long time.... 

 

McCain is quiet literally a JOKER! And that Sarah Palin is just being played as a card. McCain never gave a damn about women! His party called Hilary Clinton a, and I quote, "BITCH!!" And what is his response - LAUGHTER!!! There is NO RESPECT, no such thing as respect whatsoever! That act alone cost him the loss of female votes. So what does he do to regain them? Puts up an UNEXPERIENCED FORMER-BEAUTY  - now keeping in mind that she is supposed to be in charge of the White House when it is in danger, was she the best move? The answer is clearly a NO. But for those stupid and blind enough to see that she was just given the position for winning back female votes. If we are to talk of the PROFESSION itself... the woman lacks it majorly. And for a role that big to play - a FAR TO BEIG A RISK that it verges on UNACCEPTABLE, DANGEROUS! McCain is a PLAYER!!

America needs to get back up on it's feet.

MCCAIN can NOT win! Well, he probably can because it still fascinates me that Bush managed to hang on for 8 years! But if McCain wins, he wins unfaithfully and dishonestly. People inside the cycle will be playing about with the votes and make him win.

And that's another reason why not to vote for McCain - CONNECTION WITH BUSH

The very day Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans - what did McCain do? EAT HIS BIRTHDAY CAKE with president Bush! While OTHERS STUCK IN NEW ORLEANS FACING DEATH AND UNBEARABLE CONDITIONS... McCain IS HAPPY nad CELEBRATES HIS BIRTHDAY! POSES FOR CAMERAS ALONGSIDE PRESIDENT BUSH. ALL SMILES. BUT WHAT ABOUT NEW ORLEANS?!!! IT DIDN'T MEAN A THING TO THEM!! And on the day that the Republicans were to start their campaign, it was the same day that the another hurricane struck New Orleans. What did they do? Continue with the show! That's how much they care!! WHY VOTE FOR A PRESIDENT THAT DOES NOT CARE ABOUT HIS OWN PEOPLE? IF PEOPLE IN HIS LAND ARE SUFFERING, WHY IS IT SO HARD TO SHOW RESPECT?!! Something as little as postponing that advertisment for one day would have been enough - but no!! IF AMERICA IS TO VOTE FOR A PRESIDENT, IT HAS TO VOTE FOR A PRESIDENT THAT UNDERSTANDS SUFFERING!! MCCAIN WAS PLACED BEHIND BARS SO HE SHOULD KNOW - BUT FOR SOME REASON, HIS HEART IS TOO COLD TO FEEL ANYTHING!! IS THAT THE SORT OF PRESIDENT THAT AMERICA WANTS!!?! IF SO, THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE KEPT PRESIDENT BUSH!! BECAUSE MCCAIN IS NO DIFFERENT FROM HIM!!

Baring in mind, AMERICA NEEDS TO MAKE THE RIGHT CHANGES. INTERNATIONAL REPUTATION IS RUINED. IF AMERICA EVER WANTS TO GET BACK UP ON ITS FEET IT NEED TO MAKE THE RIGHT CHANGES!

ENOUGH OF 8 YEARS OF REPUBLICANS!! HAVEN'T THE 8 YEARS SHOWN YOU ALL SOMETHING!!?!!

AMERICA NEEDS TO CHANGE - VOTE OBAMA!!! VOTE DEMOCRATS!!!

 

Damn... Someone is more than a little defensive.
delovelylou Sat Sep 27 16:11:43 UTC 2008
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Do you honestly think that they will be put in risky positions?!! What makes you think that they are loyal fighters and not one like this man over here:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Vtuqlw_a5qw 

 

Another thing - fighting this war is not fighting a war. It's just killing whoever is in your way because you don't have the time to figue out who is and who is not a "terrorist" - notice the inverted comments. This war is categorised a illegal and lost - and with darn good reasons too. This war had nothing but the word destruction written all over. There was no evidence whatsoever to prove that Nuclear Weapons of Massdestruction existed in Iraq. Yet they went to attack it. So this war started with no reason, how is it going to end? It'll have to end with no reason! The war was pointless - so why can't America say they lost? Why can't America say that they were wrong? Why can't America walk out and leave Iraq? They've ruined it and made it unstable - so they can't leave.

Solution? There is only one! Long-term or permanent occupation.

Did they expect that things would turn out this way? YES.....

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=a7kkx9domJo 

 

And heck yeah, America is screwed either way becasue what President Bush has done has jeprodised not just the future of America but the world. Good luck America!

 

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I agree with everything you said delovelylou except for your words regarding Israel. I fail to understand how Israel is committing illegal acts of crime against Palestinians right now.

Here are the facts: Israel has tried at every opportunity to establish a peace agreement. Following the 6 day war, Israel took control of the entire Sinai Penninsula, and then gave it all back for the sake of a peace agreement. They agreed to the partition plan that would split the state, but the Palestinians refused it. The withdrew from areas heavily population by Palestinians, including the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, and gave Palestine political autonomy in this areas. This was such a controversial move that Prime Minister Rabin was assassinated following the decision. Has there been two sided violence here? Yes, there has. Former Israeli administrations did treat Palestinians very poorly, and the security wall was not exactly a great decision. But it went both ways. Palestinians (NOT terrorists, there is a difference people) attacked several Jewish holy sites in 2000, and Israel has right to defend itself. I mean the country gets bombed by every terrorist organization in the book, and you're criticizing it because Palestinians refuse to accept Israel's peace propositions?

I've studied this subject objectively. There have been atrocities on either side, but the fact of the matter is that Israel has done the best it can to attempt to achieve peace with Palestine, but Palestine has an uncompromising all-or-nothing policy backed by Hamas and Hezbollah.

If there ever was to be a country that had Nuclear Power, I'm glad it's them. Would you rather Iraq have nuclear power? In 1981, the Israeli air-force destroyed a nuclear reactor that France was building for Iraq. ISrael is the one of the leading countries in terms of development of new technologies and energy research.

 The way you wrote that, it made it sounds as if Obama does not support Israel, which is a lie. He does too. The US stance on Israel has always been one of support, that's not going to change anytime soon.

 

sorry, slightly OT, but I just wanted to put that out there.

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delovelylou Sat Sep 27 16:14:36 UTC 2008
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Free Falling,

I call myself a ANTI-WAR

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QUOTE: delovelylou

Free Falling,

I call myself a ANTI-WAR

I'm anti-war as well, but we're not fighting a war with Iraq. We're occupying a country, not fighting them. There's a big difference. I don't like that the U.S. (or any other country) is in Iraq, but we were never fighting with Iraq as a country. We're occupying the country with the intent to fight terrorism. And yes, it's gone too far with regards to the amount of time we have been there, but Bush had absolutely no way of knowing just how far this was all going to go. 

Besides, if you're from Scotland, why do you even care so much? Most of the things that our president does will have NO effect on you whatsoever. He's the President of the United States, not the Ruler of the World...

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Free Falling,

"We were never fighting Iraq as a country"... ?!!!?!?! I can't believe what I'm reading! Who do you think you are fooling?! The world knows the truth!! Knows that this is a war against Iraq, Iraq's people and Iraq's resources! I can't believe this!!

Everything you have said is an absolute lie - this is what the media spoon-feeds us to believe. Do you honestly think that every single soldier in that country carrying a gun will not actually use it. They are fighting to be alive, fighting to live another day, fighting because they don't want to die a painful death - they have to use it! They have to use the guns - and even missiles for pete's sake!!

And it hasn't gone too far because of the time that was spent but for the illegal crimes that have been commited and amazingly got away with. President Bush himself is an example! 

Youtube: "President W. Bush wanted for Murder" - 6/13/08 Interview on Democracy Now with renown Lawyer and Author Vincent Bugliosi regarding his latest book "The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder".

Part 1 - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HmCLk2rR8as 

Part 2 - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CbqgU5X1Gwk&feature=related 

Part 3 - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8orFfzGDJXA&feature=related 

 

And please.... Bush has Cheney by his side. I posted a link that actually proves that Cheney knew exactly what would happen. The words came right out of his own mouth! Surely, that is a strong enough evidence!

Explain to me that if being President of the United States is not being the "Ruler of the World" - why is it that the $700 billion bail-out financial crisis is an international crisis? 

Being anti-war means that you care about human lives and justice. It has noting to do with geography! I am Scottish, and am proud to be so! And as long as there are illegal crimes that are committed I certainly won't fall down to silence. I'll keep speaking for truth and justice! ... so geography has nothing to do this!

 

 

90sKid,

I will get back to you - I'm putting together the information. Quick question though; you said you studied this issue - what were your resources and refrences?

 

 

 PS: Forthose who actually want to discuss with me about my view, please read what I have said and even check out the links posted

 

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QUOTE: Free_Falling

QUOTE: delovelylou

Free Falling,

I call myself a ANTI-WAR

I'm anti-war as well, but we're not fighting a war with Iraq. We're occupying a country, not fighting them. There's a big difference. I don't like that the U.S. (or any other country) is in Iraq, but we were never fighting with Iraq as a country. We're occupying the country with the intent to fight terrorism. And yes, it's gone too far with regards to the amount of time we have been there, but Bush had absolutely no way of knowing just how far this was all going to go. 

Besides, if you're from Scotland, why do you even care so much? Most of the things that our president does will have NO effect on you whatsoever. He's the President of the United States, not the Ruler of the World...

The war in Iraq is very much a war. The intent was not to fight terrorism - it was because Hussein was supposed to have nuclear weapons. When they found out that Iraq didn't have nuclear weapons they tried to twist the reasons for war onto being about terrorism or "freeing the people".

And maybe it's hard to see when you live in Usa, but a lot of the things that your beloved president does affect the rest of the world.The war in Iraq is a huge proof of that

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QUOTE: delovelylou

 L O L ! ! ! !

Look, if the comment is too long to read - just press the link and listen to Bill Clinton's speech.

After all that I have said - still it's "VOTE MCCAIN"

I can't stop laughing at the level of stupidity!!!

 

It's sad when you as foreigner know more of what's going on policitally in my country than most of us living here. (I admire you so much for that, btw.) That's why we're in the mess we're in because we'll dive right into whatever sugarcoated words a person has to offer without doing research. I don't care who you vote for just give me educated reasoning that will benefit EVERYONE in this country and not just a chunk of it.

America's become the very thing we ran away from in it's very beginning. 

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I'm voting for Obama. The GOP has got us into a war of choice rather then killing Bin Laden (inless Bush, McCain and and of there supportors on this borad have forgotten he is the one who attcked us), Not regulated wall street so we have no choice but bell them out, or face pepression. And not supported alternteve feuls to get of of Middle Easter oil (BTW to you Drill here, drill now "pay less" crowd, it wont work we use 25 % of the worlds oil and only have 3 %of the worlds reserve).

There's NO WAY I'm voting for more of that.

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ohwow. delovelylou, u r sooo dead on. im a democrat, i don't wanna vote for obama, but since hiliary is out of the running, i have no choice. roc on. not only is our world messed up but it'z twice as bad since bush first got into office 8 years ago. republicans are money hungry war mongers. democrats r 'bout fairness and doing things the right way.
angel. "you know how they say make a JOYFUL noise unto the lord? well, i can make a noise. can't guerentee it's gonna be joyful.
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The resources are a course that I took that studied a history of the conflict over Israel/Palestine, the news, history textbooks, etc. I can't really list specifics because I don't know precisely what news stations, or where all of the information from that class came from.

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although im all for the democrats, im definitely not for obama. i dont care much who wins now (its not my country anyway, so i guess its less important to me than most of you guys), i was for clinton before. i read her autobiography, loved it. shes got experiece and everything.

so now its sort of like..choose the less bad, not the better one.

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I know who i'm voting for...

Hanson Fan since '97

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vampyre54 Sat Sep 27 23:24:29 UTC 2008
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im not a registered voter... and i think neither are good enough to represent our country. im sad Hillary Clinton isn't up...

Obama...hell no. remember the guy that blew up the pentagon like...15 years ago? yeah..those 2 are friends...why would we want Obama in office??